This kind of stuff makes me mad

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 10/06/2016 at 18:31 • Filed to: None

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Check out what appears to be a very cherry FZJ80 with the Lockers (see description) going for a reasonable $7900.

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

(this was sold to somebody, hopefully somebody who did their homework first)

You are bidding on a 1997 Toyota Land Cruiser with excellent history!! 1 Owner, no accidents, 43 service records on carfax report(posted below) Green on Beige Leather, all wheel drive with factory center locking differential and optional very desirablefront and rear locking differentials!! ice cold AC(new compressor and fan clutch) 7 passenger 3 row seating.. nice truck although not perfect by any means.. paint is clean and mostly original and shows well with minor chips and nicks.. interior shows cracking and wear to include wear spot on top of steering wheel, antenna inop , power seats move up and down and recline correctly, but, require effort to get forward, one rear window inop , has minor oil leaks, older Michelin tires showing excellent thread, runs and drives great..
this LC is solid with no accidents noted on carfax below.

the 92-97 land cruisers are known as the most capable off road vehicle ever made, with the factory military style running gear and bullet proof Toyota straight 6 cylinder engine, known as the 500,000 mile motor.. clean, unmodified, well serviced examples are getting harder and harder to find..

The only problem? it’s a lie. First, let’s The lockers claim, it’s well known that having this option is an automatic +$1000 to the price of a used FZJ80...so it’s reasonable to call it out and to demand more for it.

Its mentioned in the ad, and it certainly appears to have them except that switch sure looks newer than the rest, if only we had the door car, then we’de know for sure and wouldn’t you know it?

The highlighted Door card shows “K292" which is the code for the NON-LOCKED axles (K294 = Locked, !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ), and inspecting the axles, there is a noticeable lack of differential actuators on either one.

While were down here let’s take a second to appreciate the complete and hasty respray of the entire underside including steering knuckles, power steering cooler and what appear to be the brakes. Nothing suspicious there...

Yup, no evidence of rust-covering overspray here on the headers either...

The motor has also been given a once over with the armor-all. No those aren’t new wires, just glossed up. (there is nothing wrong presenting a clean engine, just making a case that this was worked over to be presented to sell)

When the dealer was asked about the lockers, he said “if you win the bid I’ll put it on a lift and you can see for yourself”. At that point... its too late so what does he care. Classy

Look I don’t know who got duped here, the dealer or the original seller but someone is being seriously dishonest here.

Keep a sharp eye on used cars oppo, especially ones that seem too good to be true.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 10/06/2016 at 18:36

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What the hell is that spotting all over the blank buttons? Is that mold?

HammerheadFistpunch > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/06/2016 at 18:38

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its probably shame.

aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/06/2016 at 18:42

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Probably didn’t bother to wipe off the overspray from what ever cleaner they were using.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe 10/06/2016 at 18:46

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My OCD....

TRIGGERED

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 10/06/2016 at 18:47

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This is why I have trust issues.

Dogapult > HammerheadFistpunch 10/06/2016 at 18:47

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If an item is misrepresented the owner can still get in trouble, though.

HammerheadFistpunch > Dogapult 10/06/2016 at 18:52

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That’s true, It’s hard to say who got duped first though, the reseller or the ebay bidder.

Future next gen S2000 owner > HammerheadFistpunch 10/06/2016 at 19:02

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I’m taking a class that is called The Ethical and Legal Environment of Business . As such this confirms me as an internet lawyer. The lockers is a material fact, therefore if the buyer buys it under that assumption is it fraud and can the buyer can sue. Also, the dealership knows of the fraud since they offer to put it on a lift for inspection.

This all assumes lockers weren’t added after.

At least that is how I would answer it on a test.

This happened on a bigger scale awhile back I think. A seller claimed a Camaro was an original Z/28 car from late 60's/early 70's - whatever the year was. This makes it worth a lot more. Turns out it wasn’t. So the buyer sued the seller and won I believe.

camaroboy68ss > HammerheadFistpunch 10/06/2016 at 19:05

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Yeah those option code stickers are a helpful tool if they haven’t been tampered with. I can’t count how many “true SS” Camaro’s or Chevelles I have looked at only to find they are clones due to missing key components, the code decal or trim tag stating something different, etc.

I also hate it when people go to town with the armour all everywhere. It’s not good to stick on rubber stuff and honestly makes a lot thing look cheap.

HammerheadFistpunch > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/06/2016 at 19:06

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now I do know that people have put locked Axles onto non-locked trucks and the images don’t give me 100% confidence that it hasn’t happened...but...one thing is 100% certain with this listing: This truck was NOT equipped with the factory lockers as it left Japan.

brzedr1 > HammerheadFistpunch 10/06/2016 at 23:30

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Hammer,

I just picked up a clean, 2004 model. Our mutual friend on here (Macanamera) said you were the guy to ask. Where can i learn more about my fine new automobile?

Thanks,

Z

HammerheadFistpunch > brzedr1 10/07/2016 at 00:11

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http://www.sleeoffroad.com/newbie/newbieUZJ100.htm

This guide is a good place to start. Then ih8mud.com for technical stuff and if you have any specific questions I’d be happy to help

Rufant > HammerheadFistpunch 10/07/2016 at 00:36

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I generally find your average used car dealer would know something like a locker even if you whacked them over the head with it. The fact that he has shown pictures of the axles and the specification sticker, and offered to put it on a hoist, means he’s either special sort of dumb or he was duped by whomever sold it to him (or whomever sold it to them, etc, etc). It’s got the switch, that’s all they looked at. Probably...

You should become an 80 series buying consultant!

All dealers here spray that bloody black detailing paint on, shits me no end. Safe to say there is none left on the 105 after a year and a bit of off road/pressure washing :)

brzedr1 > HammerheadFistpunch 10/07/2016 at 10:02

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Thank you. I will check those out.

I do have one question: how can I get a spare key made? I read that you can’t simply get a new blank cut; you have to get the chip coded at proper frequency, too.

Is that a DIY item? Or will I have to pay Toyota dealer prices?

Thanks!

brzedr1 > HammerheadFistpunch 10/07/2016 at 10:03

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Is there a way I can connect with you offline with future Qs?

Thank you again! Really great to have a braintrust to tap into...

Pistol Whipped Cream > HammerheadFistpunch 10/07/2016 at 11:59

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This guy is here in AZ. They have a few LCs listed right now. He is making a bad name for all dealerships. I was suspicious of this guy before but I didnt even know you could check the door sticker to determine if it had factory lockers. It makes sense, I just didn’t know. 80's fetch a premium right now so I think I have decided I want a 2003-2005 100.

HammerheadFistpunch > Pistol Whipped Cream 10/07/2016 at 12:45

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good choice. 80's are getting on in years and have their share of non-mechanical related age issues even with low miles.

Pistol Whipped Cream > HammerheadFistpunch 10/07/2016 at 20:14

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exactly! now to find my unicorn haha

torque > brzedr1 10/08/2016 at 04:26

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I have an 04 Sienna XLE that only came with 1 key. I think the local Toyota dealer wanted $200 to create a new key, so I laughed and left.

I had a local locksmith that specializes in cars make a two new keys that includes the necessary* transponder that’s built w/in the head of the key for $50.

With transponder keys it’s a two step process.

1) physically cut transponder key blank (to of course match profile of existing key)

2) use computer to match transponder code from duplicated key

*necessary for security purposes the ignition verifies “this is a legit key b/c the code on the transponder w/in this key matches the code on the ecu therefore yes, you’re authorized to start the engine...

mattc993 > HammerheadFistpunch 10/08/2016 at 10:51

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Not saying you’re wrong, this is pretty shady, however, this section in particular:

When the dealer was asked about the lockers, he said “if you win the bid I’ll put it on a lift and you can see for yourself”. At that point...its too late so what does he care. Classy

As a semi-accomplished eBay Motors connoisseur, I’m enthusiastic to let you know that Motors is the only section of eBay where final bids are non-binding and the buyer can back out at any time (ideally before they’ve actually rendered payment). It’s obviously looked down upon if you’re doing it often, but there’s really no recourse for the seller if the winning bidder says “nah, no thanks”.

brzedr1 > torque 10/08/2016 at 19:52

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Exactly my situation! hah

How do I reprogram the duplicate key transponder? (i.e. step 2)

How did you do it?

torque > brzedr1 10/09/2016 at 18:53

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Both step #1 & #2 were completed by the auto specific locksmith for me. I don’t remember the exact process he followed, but he did have a computer that was involved to code the new keys. Was also nice that it was a house call too, so he came to our place. Whole process was maybe 30 min. or so from start to finish.